… When you’re going into homes, you sit, and you observe your surroundings. You observe because the surroundings will tell you something about those people. There was a couple, he was the patient and she was the carer. And I did a joint visit and I took the music therapist out with me, and I said, ‘Is this the first time you’ve visited, you know, a Māori whānau?’ And she said, ‘Yes, it is.’ I said, ‘Okay then, come on then I’ll go with you. I know of this couple. I’ve met him, but I haven’t met her.’ So off we went to this place and we were invited in. So immediately her and I engaged and, and we sat down. And I could hear [her] talk, and I said, ‘Tell me how was it for you?’ And so, she [patient] started to talk about all sorts of things and I thought ‘yeah you’ve got a lot going on here, all sorts of things.’ But there was also a part of her that wanted, in her way, to get it right. We’d been there about an hour; I said to her [patient], ‘Who’s that?’ It was a beautiful kuia, this beautiful photo of a kuia up on her wall. And she said, ‘Oh that’s my Nan, she brought me up.’ And so [the] conversation goes around those sorts of things. Long story short, when we eventually left, and we both promised to return again but maybe at separate times. When we hopped into the car, the Music Therapist said to me, ‘Gosh you’re amazing.’ And I said to her, ‘What’s amazing, tell me?’ And she said, ‘Well, how did you know, how do you know what to ask?’