[H]ard out core gang related. Hard out core. And that was the most beautiful experience. Beautiful. I say it was [a] beautiful experience in the whole wide world because he let us into his life. At first, he was reluctant. But we were, I think we were brave going into his house, into his life, because it was like gang and- but then as I was going into their place and talking with one particular patient, I thought to myself, ‘Well, you know if he wants our help nothing will come to harm us. Nothing will come to harm us. And his friends will feel the same.’
That’s my thinking I don’t know if I was right on that line, but that was my thinking. So, their friends wouldn’t deprive their friend of getting cared for, well cared for. That, well that was my thinking. I thought, ‘Okay, well I’ll be brave. I’ll go in and kōrero with him, and kōrero.’ And it was okay. Well I helped our nurses not to be scared either. Because it was a scary atmosphere that we had to go into this particular gang. Because it was a mix, mixture of gang related he was connected to. A mix of all. Yeah... [Where] he lived, his room was dark and dingy. It was pretty [freaky] in there.