I don’t talk about it often much, but I do have a woman and a man (the man’s related to me from Ngāpuhi) who deal with sort of wairua Māori stuff. I go to [them] when I’m really being affected [by] something and, which sits outside the Catholic position. But they deal with portals and about clearing stuff and reading [wairua]. And so, I’ve always been a receiver. So, I’ve been able to see things in another way, and receive things [tohu – spiritual signs], from an early age. I’ve always had that. And so, becoming an ordained Minister hasn’t changed that. I have a couple from [name of place] that manage that for me.
So, if I’m really stressed or whatever… I’ll go and see them, and they clear me and read the situation for me so I can get out of that. So, I think that’s another thing. I think that’s a whole validifying [aspect]; as Māori we always have to do [things] about te ao wairua. That’s hard to explain for Pākehās because they just don’t get it. Oh, not all Pākehās, but generally Pākehā people, Kiwis just don’t understand that. Whereas for us it’s a day-to-day thing. It comes with your bread and butter in the morning; it just is us.
And how are you going to explain that to a Government Department, or to a so and so? And I think there’s a lot of work to be done there, I think people do the PC thing, ‘Oh… you know, Māori have this thing called wairua,’, but they don’t realise that our people, they live with it. It’s still [there] and we’re part of this land, we’re part of the DNA and makeup of the land. It’s here and that’s not going to change.